Posted by: justenjoyhim | March 10, 2008

Joy to MY world

I had a long Snarky Librarianesque (if not more so) post written out explaining exactly why I wasn’t thrilled that my words were paraphrased and misinterpreted in another post and then were quoted yet again in the comments by the same author.

But I’m not pushing Publish because . . . I need to say it differently. I thought I was going to say it in a briefer fashion, but that ended up not being the case. This does ramble and I’m not sure I’m saying exactly what I want/need to say, but it’s going to stay for now.

First off, a few points:

1. Hyperbole. I wrote a post that I do believe, but yes I was also being somewhat flip when I said in No More NowNow Girl:

If someone really does say, “Adoptive parents are douchebags!” and they are simply venting, what’s the harm? I know that I’m not a douchebag. So really, what’s the harm? Obviously that person is venting; let him/her vent.

I was being hyperbolic, or alternatively, being a hyperbolist (I didn’t even know that word existed; what a great word); in other words, I was using extravagant exaggeration. I do that sometimes just to make a point. Those who know me and/or those who could understand The Spirit Of the post, understood that.

2. I actually do think that venting for the sake of venting is a perfectly fine thing to do. I do not agree with the attitude that I am interpreting from What I Learned From Walt Disney, and that, if I’m correct, is summed up best in: If you don’t like it, quit whining and do something about it.

Take for example, adoptees. I hereby apologize if I stick my size 6 1/2 wide feet into my physically small but figuratively quite big mouth and misspeak. BUT, what I have read on many blogs is that when they say something like, “Wow, adoptive parents are so obtuse” and people call them on it, they feel like their larger point is being missed. OK, perhaps it would be more correct to say that “some aparents are so obtuse” or “aparents can be so obtuse,” but For The Love Of, if they need to vent, let them vent!! I myself have asked that people use “some aparents” or qualify things and I now think that I should have shut my figuratively very large mouth and taken the posts in the spirit in which they were intended instead of focusing on that part of the post.

I feel like I’m making absolutely no sense at all now which wouldn’t surprise me in the least, Chemo Brain being what it is.

OK, let’s try this: if an adoptee comes into contact with 25 aparents saying things that can be construed as entitled or downright offensive to adoptees and then comes into contact with two aparents who not only support but more importantly validate the adoptee’s feelings, WHO is the adoptee most likely going to write about? Those 25 who are not valuing the adoptee for his/her words and for who he/she is. RIGHT?? Sooo, I finally, finally said to myself:

Self, quit taking things so damn personally! If you haven’t done and/or said the things that said adoptee is talking about, then Let. It. Go. and let him/her vent. If you have done or said these things, learn from what this valuable voice is saying.

Something like that.

I feel like I’m talking in circles, but what the hell. I’m going to leave it and see if any of this makes sense or not. At this point, I have no idea anymore.

3. Joy. After reading one of her comments in that post, I’m considering offering Joy a job as my spokesperson except that the pay is lousy and right now a lot of what she would be interpreting would be . . . well, never mind. I’m not just in a great frame of mind a lot these days.

OK, there I go again being flip when what I want to say is: Thank you, Joy. Thank you for saying what you did that put into words for me what I think much better than I’ve been able to lately. It brought me to tears of gratitude. Joy interpreted what I said and meant in my NowNow Girl post partly in the following:

she said so many of the comments by adoptees and first moms, the losers of the triad are dismissed, and now given her huge, understanable upset, my God this woman is a mother of a young child, news that her health is uncertain, she doesn’t know WHAT is going to happen to her, and naturally feels a whole storm of emotions about her own life, what will happen to her child, her husband etc., She was just saying she knows what it is like to marginalized, keep up the happy face, say what is expected, when her authentic self, that she needs support for is sailing off into the distance to keep people comfortable that haven’t half the stress that she is dealing with every day. She was just feeling compassion for those of us losers of the triad.

Yes, yes, and yes!! Exactly! Thank you!!
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HA, you thought I was done, didn’t you? I did too, but I need to say this.

I do not believe in the quit venting and do something like opening up a nonprofit philosophy. Of course, nonprofits are great and more power to those who can take on such an endeavor. However, my bleeding heart liberal self will take one of those hippieish things people say and use it myself because I believe it. There really is too much emphasis in our society on DOing and not enough on BEing and perhaps sometimes what an adoptee IS DOing by venting is learning to become her authentic self. Learning who she is. Learning what she believes. Learning where she fits in this world because where she initially fit was taken away from her.

THAT to me IS of value. THAT to me is just as valuable for that person, that human as opening a non-profit.

Not everyone can start up a nonprofit. Not everyone can make up an incredibly wonderful website that thousands can come to and learn from. But my goodness, telling people that venting isn’t worth anything unless it amounts to something you can see, something quantifiable? No, I don’t buy it.

They are helping themselves but they are also helping those of us parents in adoption with open minds and open hearts learn to be better parents. Even if that’s not their goal, it is accomplishing something.

But so is finding out who they are.

Responses

Yeah, what you said - and very very well I might add!!

I was thinking about this from the perspective of race recently - basically what can an old white woman add to the dialog on race. And although it’s a different issue and a different challenge, the outcome was the same: Just BE there in the dialog. It’s not always what you say, it’s often the fact that you’re there and willing to take some heat in the process.

Jae Ran has a wonderful page up called Being an Ally http://harlowmonkey.typepad.com/harlows_monkey/adoptive_parents_being_an.html that talks to this, I highly recommend it.

This is really tough — I’ve considered not commenting, and I wouldn’t blame you at all for deleting as potentially argumentative (which you don’t need right now) but it isn’t meant to be.

As you know, my position was equivocal on your first post:
Other people have no right to say “There, there”; no one should ever tell anyone in whose shoes they haven’t walked to “Suck it up” and even then I’d probably kick them in the teeth for that attitude; and “Do something about it!” ignores the fact that sometimes people really are disempowered beyond the possibility of doing something about it other than living THROUGH it (and sometimes writing about it, sometimes choosing silence) — which in my book is certainly doing something about it. That stripping of agency can be social, physical, psychological and usually a combination — sometimes your body, and your mind, and your soul are just *in it*

The example that comes to my mind is Job — when he needs to vent and ‘righteous friends’ show up and tell him to quit being irreverent in his railing against God, and his response is, to put it in my language, “Are you freaking kidding me?!” or to put it in your language “Don’t you tell me NOW, NOW!” Because Job was *in it* and they should have listened and lamented with him. By holding our tongues, we can learn a lot when we listen to those who lament.

BUT I still disagree about the whole venting thing, even after giving it lots of sincere thought. I do believe that there is venting that “disappears into the ether,” there is sincere lament, there are words that can make change, and there are words that are like “tearing of the flesh” of other people. I just can’t see making a place in interpersonal communication for the latter.

Thanks, Margie, and thanks so much for the link.

A — I actually don’t disagree. I think so much depends on the context which we obviously don’t have right here. I certainly don’t see venting for the sake of venting as ““tearing of the flesh” of other people,” and I agree that doing so is going overboard in the ol’ venting arena. That’s one reason I wanted to indicate that I was indeed using hyperbole in my original post.

Hi–I don’t have an opinion on this post, really, but I did want to point you to some promising research that might give you some hope:

http://www.physorg.com/news102615640.html

My good friend has a brain tumor and I stumbled upon the site above and sent it to him. He has spoken to them about their research which is about ready to go to clinical trials. Success in their work would impact a lot of people with cancer, including the following types: prostate, ovarian, breast and colorectal cancers, some leukemias, and also drug-resistant tumors. If I find away to help fund their research I will, and will also put it on my blog so others can donate too. Please don’t give up hope.

xoxoxoxoxoox Judy

Interesting, tearing of the flesh relates to the root word of sarcasm, which is often engaged in venting.

Judy, thanks so much for taking my comment seriously and in the manner in which it was intended. Again, I don’t mean at all to prolong a debate or hurt you in any way.

I was criticized recently for including links to a blog post that I wrote about. I was told I shouldn’t have [linked to the blog I was disagreeing with]… which I still don’t agree with. If I’m going to write about something someone says, then I’m going to link back to them - and I appreciate the same respect in return. Just IMHO… you have every right to be angry at said person who didn’t link to you.

I believe that if this person wrote about you, about your words or tried to interpreted them she should have credited your original post so the reader of her post had an equal perspective.

And GO YOU for refusing to delete the original post in order to maintain your original words and give anyone who chooses to be rational the opportunity to read BOTH posts.

Judy, Judy, Judy! I just loved this post! God bless you for your honesty and your work at giving of yourself. It’s not easy, especially not when you’ve been discredited or misunderstood or marginalized in some way–and you have your chemo, health, recovery and regular life to deal with.

What I write will not be very orderly, but in order of emotion, first I wanted to start with just that: gratitude for being able to witness what you just did by posting this. It takes courage to keep on being oneself, especially when one’s self is changing, evolving, and being threatened in some way(s). So it’s a privilege to witness this and to follow your blog, including what just happened to you in the adoption blogosphere.

In next order, I join with you in feeling a lot of gratitude to Joy this week. She’s a blessing and she’s reminded me that some people don’t merely say they are sincere; some people actually *are* sincere. This is something to rejoice about.

Thanks for this entire post. I read it twice and I thought it was perfect. Maybe you should ramble more often! ;o)

Judy - YES! Oh, sometimes I just want to jump into my computer and give you a hug of gratitude! And, your post brought up a few thoughts:

First of all - I work for non profit (as you know) - and you know what non-profits are? Wonderful places that do a lot of good with A LOT OF PAPERWORK! And you shouldn’t waste your brilliance on paperwork :) SO, I support your resistance to that route!

As for venting, I work at a non-profit where, as I’m sure you can imagine, people vent. (Sorry if this doesn’t make sense to anyone but Judy, but she knows where I work ;) ) They can’t control what they’re venting about and all the non-profits in the world (mine included) can’t do magic, but damn it we’re trying. I raised $104,800 this past month trying to make a difference and I still vent about how much I wish it could be more and DO more.

As for venting and adoption - I completely believe that part of finding out who I was and how I fit into this whole crazy world of adoption was by identifying (often through venting) what I stood for and what I didn’t - what I believed in and what I didn’t - what things drove me nuts and what things didn’t. Venting what how I found my place and was how I found my voice.

Sometimes I still vent, and sometimes I don’t. But I really think I’ve had some wonderful breakthroughs just by voicing my vent. Putting my words out there and having another way to process them.

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